Leadership Through Legal and Academic Storms: From Trump's Trial to the Battle for Campus Order | Episode 64

In this episode of the Straight Talk podcast, America's Sheriff David Clarke discusses President Trump's New York trial, criticizing the prosecution and pushing for rallies in support of President Trump. Sheriff Clarke expresses open disdain for the trial, describing it as a manipulation of the court system, and outlines his personal experiences with trials and the tedium that they entail. In turn, he shifts his focus to examining protests and riots on college campuses. He expands on his ideas on the meticulous character of these protests, based on personal experiences and a literary piece titled 'Riot Makers'. Sheriff Clarke critiques colleges' handling of demonstrations and calls for greater law enforcement measures to maintain order and safety on campuses. He illustrates his point by pointing to Ronald Reagan's attitude during the 1969 University of California, Berkeley, riots as an admirable example of good leadership and law enforcement.

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Chapters

• 1:34 he Weaponization of the Criminal Justice System
• 2:45 The Ineffectiveness of Social Media Outrage
• 4:21 A Former Investigator's Perspective on Trials
• 7:54 Addressing Campus Demonstrations and Riots
• 22:21 The Role of Law Enforcement in Controlling Riots
• 40:03 Reflections on Leadership and the Need for Action
• 47:17 Closing Thoughts and Call to Action

Transcript

1:22

Greetings, everybody. Thank you for tuning in to the Straight Talk podcast. I am your host, former Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke. So now, you know, we, we, we're entering a new phase here in terms of what's going on in the United States. And one of the things that I want to briefly touch on is this trial going on in New York City, where Elvin Bragg is prosecuting Donald Trump for some things that are not really prosecutable. You have a complicit judge who has a bias and we were seeing the weaponization of the criminal justice system at work. Not being, not much is being done to stop it. That's what's disheartening to me. If we think this is so wrong, why aren't we demonstrating and protesting outside that courthouse every single day of this trial? There should be a large demonstration of people in support of Donald Trump and against the New York State Prosecutor, against this trial, against this judge, and instead we You know, do what our side, the conservative side, has a tendency to do. It's to sit back, sit behind a keyboard, and post stuff on social media. Oh, this is wrong. This is an abomination. None of that stuff's effective. Let me tell you something right now. If that jury knew every day, 100 plus people, hopefully more, but I take 100, We're standing outside chanting in support of Donald Trump and against this officious and and detestable Persecution of Donald Trump it would give them something else to think about But the reason why I'm not paying attention to that trial is because it, it just, it doesn't interest me. I know what it is. You know what it is. Why do I need to watch it? For heaven's sakes. Why do we need to read the stories about it? Every day, the news reports start out, the national news reports, with what's going on and what's going on in the New York state courtroom and what went on today and this witness said this and you know, this thing happened over here and this judge did that. It bores me, ladies and gentlemen. I know what this is, it's a sham. Why should I watch it? Why should I read about it? I mean, you can't avoid when you're, you're going through your news feeds or you're listening to the radio and the news comes on, it's the first story, you can't totally avoid it, it's the first story that's reported on. Let's, let me tell you my experience. I'm a former investigator, detective with the City of Milwaukee Police Department. This was before I came, became sheriff of Milwaukee County, the sheriff's office. And I've investigated a lot of crime. A lot. Too much. Too much. I was a homicide investigator and in my time on the homicide unit of the Milwaukee police department, I was part of a team that invested over 400 homicides in a four year period. We made arrests or solved over 80 percent of those homicides. You know what the clearance rate for homicide is today in most urban areas? Well, 30%. Well, that's not my point. My point is that I was involved in the prosecution. of these individuals arrested for these murders. And I sat at table in a courtroom during the trial with the prosecutor assisting in the prosecution of these individuals. On average, for a homicide trial, on average, three to five days. So basically the whole week. It's boring to sit there. The judge would take the bench at nine in the morning, you'd break at noon for lunch, you'd come back at 1. 30, and then you sat there till four or five o'clock. For at least three days and maybe five inside a courtroom sitting at that table you get bored And so a big deal was made about Trump dozing off at one point during the trial and I thought yeah No kidding. I would too. It's boring, especially for a man like Trump who's very active. He likes being out He likes moving about and now he's being tied down to a table in a courtroom For basically eight hours a day and you wonder why he's doing that Dozing off and that's not my point with this segment here either. But anyway, I've seen enough of these trials I've seen enough of any trial and and so there's you know I've seen enough of it and I know many of you have not And I'm not blasting you for having an interest in it I'm just telling you why I don't and why I'm not following it. It means nothing to me Basically means nothing to you. I mean, we all know that our criminal justice system has been hijacked by the Democrats by the left to go after their political enemies. We all know that. So I choose not to pay attention to it, and I won't be surprised by it. You know, if they convict him, I, and then there's processes after that. There's a process ease after that. And I just, I, it just, folks, it bores me. So anyway, that's that. Now I want to talk about another thing going on in our world that does interest me. And it's these demonstrations and there's rioting on college campuses. That is an organized effort. The technology of social demolition is what this is. We shouldn't be surprised. We picked up on that earlier. And we're picking up on it earlier now. You know that this stuff is organized, very organized. I gotta give the Left credit. Ready, they got their reinforcements. They got their supplies, their resources. They bust their people in who aren't students of these universities. And we watch these petulant students And we shake our heads and we're like, you know, cause these, these numbskulls, you know, you know, I'm surprised they can tie their shoes when I wake up in the morning. Most of them have been coddled their whole lives. Some time ago I was contacted by a guy, he's a former, he's a retired CIA agent, actually passed away since. And he watched me during the Black Lives Matter riots and heyday and activity and so on and so forth. And he saw a lot of my interviews on TV. And I had a speaking engagement in Iowa. He's from Iowa and he came to my event. He didn't introduce himself then, but he came to my event and he heard me speak sometime after he contacted me. And he told me, he says, I was at your speaking event in Iowa. And he said, the reason I went because I've been listening to you and following you. And I just wanted to. know for sure if you were the real deal. So I wanted to see you off TV. You know, you got to talk in soundbites. And he said, I came and saw you speak and I knew, I said, he's the real deal. So anyways, part of his career, part of, as a CIA agent, he was tasked with riots and, you know, organized, organized riots here in the United States because there was some foreign involvement in it. So it wasn't the CIA. Working on American citizens. There was some former, there was some foreign involvement in it. So the CIA was monitoring that. So he gathered a lot of information on these groups. And he sent me a book. And it's called Riot Makers. The Technology of Social Demolition. Copyright 1970. So this was right after the 69. Disruption here in the United States, the race riots, the Vietnam War, and all that stuff. And most of this occurred, most of it, on college campuses, if you recall. At least the anti war ones did. And the book details, it's about a 600 page book. Now, I didn't read all 600 pages, but I read a lot of the, applicable today to learn more about this. And he, when he sent this to me, along with a lot of other information, he said, you, this might come in handy for you as you continue to have to deal with and talk about all this uprising. And again, this was after the Black Lives Matter movement started. So I started reading up on it. And what I learned early on was that there's a model for this. This is not new, none of it. The issues are not new. The actors are not new. They might be, you know, the newer generation of the people in the past, but they use the same model. They use the same tactics because they're effective. And one of the things that, Government and law enforcement has, have not, have, have not learned is how to counter this stuff effectively. They don't understand the tactics. They don't understand why they're doing the things they're doing now and then what comes next so you can stay ahead of it. But all this stuff's predictable. And so I pulled this book out again, after this, you know, this stuff going on in college campuses about the, uh, Israeli war. And I got a bunch of stuff highlighted in the areas that I read and little post it notes and so on and so forth. So I started paging through the stuff that I highlighted. And so here's a couple things from this book that I find interesting. It says, Both. Excessive permissiveness because it provides no structure and guidelines and excessive controls because they permit no independent action lead to neurotic insecurity and aimlessness in adolescents and young adults, this study indicates. Consequently, they become more hostile and more rebellious. That's what's wrong with these idiots on these college campuses. Like I said, most of them have been coddled their whole lives. Pestilent little children, and we put up with this stuff. No guardrails, no boarders. Then they get out here and then they, you know, they act like juveniles. But one of the things that struck me as I paced through my book here, you know, some things that we forget about because, you know, we're all concerned around them, but, well, arrest them, arrest them. Well, yes. But they have a counter for that now. They have a legal fund set up. They have. money available to bail you out in those states that still require bail. They have legal representation for you if you get arrested. So arrests are one tactic that can be used but it cannot be the, the only tactic. Because they're just going to return to the fight anyway when they get out. But there's a couple other things to think about here. Because I'm hearing that, and I think some of it's true but not all of it, Because it's an excuse that a lot of these agitators on these college campuses aren't students of the university. Okay, that might be true, but think about this, and this is from this book. The Riot Makers, in the Appendix section on College Campuses. And it says, Violence on the Campus and Legal Remedies, Position Paper Number 3, Americans for Effective Law Enforcement, Inc. It says here, Legal Action against Non Students. The criminal and civil remedies available against non students who engage in illegal activities are basically the same as those available against students. In addition, and here's what's important, Federal criminal statutes prohibiting travel and interstate commerce to promote disorders might be the basis for criminal prosecution. So I ask, why aren't the Fed's U. S. attorney's office involved in this? Handling some of these arrests, you can't just keep sending these to, you know, write them a city summons or send them to state court. Get these non students and students who are involved, like I said, in this. Interstate commerce to promote disorders, and we know there's outside sources that are organizing this. So there's your interstate commerce, and charge them with federal prosecution, federal violations. That's a lot more serious. Let me tell you right now, these students didn't get involved in this to be charged federally. Well, you're going to get more than just a slap on the wrist. So you have to use all your resources, and we're too, you know, just a one trick pony, when you go, well, the police should arrest them, the police should arrest, well, maybe. But how about that? Federal Criminal Prosecution. I haven't heard, I haven't heard that come up, but you know, the police made 45 arrests. Yeah, probably issued them a summons and let them go. Some might have been charged with misdemeanor, you know, trespassing or whatever, and you know, that's gonna get watered down anyway. They know that. They'll have more effective legal representation than a government lawyer to fight these things, and a government lawyer will just want to get rid of this anyway, so there'll be some watered down plea agreement. Well, drop the charges if you don't. Misbehave for the next six months, you know that deferred prosecution they call it or you know Just pay a fine and you know, be a good boy and girl from here on out That's not effective if you're gonna get the attention of these idiots, you have to be more forceful No, I didn't say unreasonably, but you have to use more effective tactics than you're using now just to get their attention You notice now this stuff is spreading to other college campuses. That's how this that's the dynamic of this There's a dynamic to it. Now everybody's thinking, hey, why don't we do that? And the organizers go around to these large, and sometimes medium sized, even small, universities, and they organize these things. Like I said, it's, it's Organized social demolition. Organized chaos. So, the universities, unfortunately, you know, they play patty cake with these individuals, as if they have some moral standing, or even some legal standing, to come and make demands. No, they don't. We demand that the United States stop supporting Israel, militarily. We demand that this university dissolve itself of any investments that have to do with the state of Israel. Those are making demands. Those are terroristic demands. That's the very definition of terrorism. Making threats against some entity, usually government, some of these are government schools, making threats unless their demands are met. And that's what they're doing here. So that's why I said we're just playing patty cake with them So they're in no position and why these universities these adults would try to you know, and we're trying to engage people No, we're trying to restore law and order. Do you have some other grievance? You know that you go over here and you take care of that, but we're gonna maintain control on this college campus This is our property. You're a guest at this university So that hasn't happened at some other universities, but finally at Columbia, in New York, finally the university president had enough. So that's enough of this, and we're going to handle this differently. And made it clear, the difference between the law and the jungle. A very bright line. If you cross this line, here's what's going to happen, including suspension or expulsion from the university. In addition to potential criminal charges. So you have to throw numerous things at them at one time. And you can't negotiate. Here's the law. Here are the campus rules. They're plain to see. Either, and there's no in between ground here. You either abide by these rules or you're subject to X and Y. So they call in the New York Police Department and they start moving them out these encampments. You can't let these encampments blossom. You cannot do it. They are claiming ground, saying this is ours, and here's our command post, and here's where our activities and our orders and our, you know, supplies will be from this. You can't let them do that. You have to move in, tear those tents down, and you have to move those people out of there. I wouldn't worry about arrests right away. Just get them out of there. Use tear gas. Yes, tear gas. Use some physical force. You know, you got these guys with these big shields, these police with these, you know, big shields, and start pushing them out. And those that want to resist or fight back, well, they get thumped, reasonably. So, now this has caused an uproar for the, you know, Columbia University and the president of the university and stuff that usually follows. And, oh, they're just kids. Well, they're, you know, you know, the nonsense. And you just got to look at them and say, shove it. That's what you got to do. You just stare them right down and say, shove it. We're gonna main control, control of this university, make it safe for all of our students. Because it's not safe as long as these idiots are here. So anyway, USC, University of Southern Cal, has canceled their main graduation ceremony amid controversy over the valedictorian speeches and protests. I thought, good, good, perfect. You know, having gone to college myself and to graduate school, there is nothing more rewarding for oneself than walking across the stage and receiving your diploma, your college degree, I mean even for high school, your degree after this long arduous journey studying and test taking and the rigors that go along with college work and receiving your certificate for it. It's very rewarding psychologically, spiritually even, walking across that stage. Anybody who's done it. You know what I'm talking about. Anybody who's had their kid do it. When you see it, there's nothing like it. And I've got to do it twice. My undergrad, and my master's degree. Walk across that stage. And so now, at USC, they're gonna have some smaller events planned to, you know, hand out the degrees, but it's not the same. Being in some big stadium, or auditorium, or something, and it's just, it, it, it's it's just, it's just There's nothing like it. So to deny these students that, I thought, good. They brought this on themselves. And you can say, well, it was just a handful of people. Good. Too bad. Because the ones who weren't participating should have gone down there and said, hey, we back what's going on here with the police and the Columbia, the university and whatnot, and we're not on your side. Make it clear. They're going to let you hide in the weeds. Well, I didn't attend that demonstration and I didn't, I wasn't chanting and so on and so forth. Yeah, but you weren't down there to stop it either. countering it. So the university, it says, after facing scrutiny over its decision to cancel its valedictorian speech, we'll get into that in a minute, and one day after more than 90 people were arrested at a pro Palestinian protest on campus, USC is canceling the main graduation ceremony it had scheduled for May 10th. US campuses, uh, the US campus C Campus remained closed on Thursday until further notice, although its classes went on a schedule. More than 93 people were arrested when police cleared an occupation of USC's Alumni Park by pro Palestinian protesters, demanding that the university end ties with Israel and Israeli tied investments. See, those are terroristic demands. But you notice that occupation, you cannot let people do that. That's their base. of operation. So it says here, Organizers said some students reported being assaulted by public safety officers while others were pushed by LA police officers. That's always something, you know, they, they egg the police on. Then if the police take any action, they go, Oh, we're assaulted by police. Too bad. Get the hell out of here. So it says here, USC Provost Andrew Guzman wrote in a message to the campus community Wednesday afternoon that protesters, quote, actions have escalated to include acts of vandalism, defacing campus buildings and structures, as well as physical confrontation that threatens the safety of our officers and campus community. You see what I mean when I say the university has to draw a clear line between the jungle and the law? And it says here, in his statement Wednesday afternoon, Guzman noted that the university has a ban on erecting tents, or other encampments on the campus, along with the ban on the use of loudspeakers, signs on poles or stakes, and the disruption of classes and other essential functions of the university. Good. Very clear to understand. We don't allow it. But now it has to be in force, which is why you can't let them set up encampment. And then once you clear the encampment, encampment, You gotta post some people there overnight so they don't come overnight and start erecting the tents again. That's how this works. See, you wake up in the morning and all of a sudden you just cleared it yesterday and the tents are back. See, once you claim land with law enforcement and a university, then you have to protect it. Don't let them come back. So it says here, more protests and encampments pop up across the United States college campuses. See, this thing is, is caught wind. This is how, this is the model, this is how it works. It was the same with the Black Lives Matter riots. Started in one city, and then spread to another, and another, and another, and another, and another. So it says, at Emerson College in Boston, 108 people were arrested overnight at an alleyway encampment, and new encampments and protests continued to pop up at campuses across the country. Students protesting the war, demanding schools. See, these are terroristic threats again. Demanding that schools cut financial ties to Israel and divest from companies enabling the conflict. Some Jewish students say the protests have veered into anti Semitism and made them afraid to set foot on campus. The university has to care about that. I'm not tolerating this crap. No more patty cake. You can't play patty cake with these people. They don't understand that. And then they up the ante when they see that you haven't, you know, Not only enforce what you're saying, but you're, you're, you're backing down a little bit. Appeasement? Well, we're trying to work with these no, you're not trying to work with anything. Tell them to get the hell out of here. And like I said, those who are arrested that are found not to be students, take them to the US Attorney's Office and have them charged federally for this interstate commerce and doing what they're doing. Supporting and promoting trouble. It's a federal violation. And those people that you know are funding this? You know, the Legal Defense Fund? Charge those people, too. You know, we can't, like I said, we can't just use the summons in the state court, and we know this, there's outside people here and outside funders of this, but, you know, well, you know, go after all of them. All of them. So it says here, at Emerson, video shows police first warning students in the alleyway to leave. Students link arms to resist officers, who move forcefully through the crowd and throw some protesters to the ground. Good. That's a reasonable use of force. Clear the area. It's a public access way. And I say the same when they start taking over streets. The same thing. Going onto freeways at airports, runways, clear the street. We'll worry about arrests as we go along here, but we're opening up this damn roadway as soon as we can. And then those that want to linger and hang around, those are the ones we'll arrest. Like I said, I've done this, ladies and gentlemen. I've had to oversee riots. So it says, on Wednesday, officers at the University of Texas at Austin aggressively detained dozens of protesters. Hundreds of local and state police, including some on horseback and holding batons, bulldozed into protesters, at one point sending some tumbling into the street. Good. That's what I want to see. That's what the people need to see. The law abiding people who support that university through their State income, and they don't have a state income tax, so their taxes. Texas doesn't have a state income tax. But they're still supporting that through taxpayers. That's their university, the taxpayer. At Emory University in Atlanta, local and state police swept in to dismantle a camp, although the university said the protesters weren't students, but rather outside activists. That's why I said those people, Who are not students of that university. They're outside. Activists need to be identified and hauled into federal court for involvement in this interstate commerce to pedal rioting. Some officers carried semi-automatic weapons and video shows officers using a stun gun on one protesters who the protestor who they pinned to the ground. At least 17 people were detained, handcuffed, on and on and on. Well, many colleges including Harvard, university of Massachusetts. We're choosing not to take immediate action against protesters who had set up tents even though they were openly defying campus rules. See, that's not the way to do this. And I hope this comes back to haunt Harvard. And some colleges were making new rules, like Northwestern University, which hastily changed its student code of conduct Thursday morning to bar tents on its suburban Chicago campus. Good. Come up with new stuff. Print it out, put it on paper, and communicate it. Hey, we got some new rules here. So then here at the end of this story, this is from the Associated Press, by the way. It says, Columbia said it plans to continue negotiations with protesters through early Friday. Why? Why? Negotiations? What are you negotiating? Here's the rules, and it'll be enforced. Aggressively. I like to hear those words. Remember I said I read critically? Police aggressively moved in. Good. That's what has to happen. No more patty cake. No more milk and cookies. So I'm going back to this book here, Riot Makers, a couple things I want to read from it. There is in our day such a phenomenon, a systematic technology of subversion, hate propaganda, and social demolition. Another thing here. Always there was a pervading theme of self righteous hate. That's what these students are promoting, self righteous hate toward Jews, and the systematic dehumanization of the chosen hate target. Representing, and in this case, the state of Israel. That's their hate target. See, I said, this stuff, this is not new. They use the same tactic, it's the same psychology, and because of that, it should be easier to counter. But every time we get into these, you know, these things like this, and it just happened with BLM, Black Lives Matter. We didn't learn from the 60s. A lot of what's in this book goes back to how the riot makers formed their approach from the 60s riots. Like I said, it's the same tactics, the same type people, they hate America, they're subversives. This is an organized effort to create chaos. And one of the things that it points out in this book, appeasement doesn't work, soft law enforcement doesn't work, none of that stuff works. And as long as it's reasonable, I don't care how it looks. You know, because they're afraid of that too. Wow, you know, these cops coming in and, and, and it says in this, one of these stories here, you know, in their riot gear, yeah, because that's what they're doing, they're going to a riot. Would you go, would you go to the beach without your swimsuit? I mean, for heaven's sakes. Yeah, with their long battens and their semi automatic, yeah, they're going to a riot. So, you know, like I said, you know, they don't make government officials, law enforcement executives, they don't make them like they used to. You know, people like William Bratton, former NYPD commissioner, people like me. We don't make them like that anymore. No nonsense. Balls to the wall. We're going to get this done. We're going to do it within the law. We're going to do what's reasonable. We're going to do it professionally, because I always demanded that of my people. I did not say, go in there, just kick ass, and I don't care how you do it. But I wasn't worried about how it looks because the use of force is never pretty. When you gotta decentralize and throw somebody to the ground, that's not pretty. It's not supposed to be pretty, ladies and gentlemen. It's supposed to be effective and reasonable. How else are you gonna gain control over somebody that's wailing around unless you get them on the ground? And you have to kneel on their back till you get the cuffs on. And that's how you explain it to people. Don't be afraid. These law enforcement executives today, they're trying to play nice and work with people. No, I'm not here to work with people. I'm here to enforce the damn law. On behalf of this whole law abiding community who demands it. Who expects it. Paying a lot of money for law enforcement folks. We give them a lot of training and a lot of equipment, and we don't expect they're ever going to have to use it. You don't want to, but if you have to, you can't be afraid to. You know, like I said, they just, they don't make them like this anymore. People just aren't gonna tolerate the nonsense. We're in a position to be able to do something about it. Now, you know, I, I, I talked about how they don't make them like that anymore. You know, there's, there's somebody else that, that comes to mind when I think of how to effectively deal with these campus riots. Because, like I said, these aren't new. These happened in the 60s over the Vietnam War. It was mainly the Vietnam War. In the streets, it was over, uh, the race riots, okay? That wasn't going on in college campuses. And there's a guy, and I say that affectionately, with all due respect, that I truly admire his leadership, his way of doing things. It's Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan had to deal with Campus riots going on in the University of California, Berkeley. 1969. And I want you to listen for a minute to how Ronald Reagan dealt. Two clips here. How Ronald Reagan dealt with the rioting, the unrest, the arson, destruction of property on the University of Berkeley. And listen to as he describes it and what's going on here and the interchange he's having with it. And one of these is with another, one of the university professors. Listen to how he frames it. And it's very clear, but listen to the stuff they were dealing with. Like I said, what's happening today at Columbia and Harvard and at the University of Texas that is spreading all across the country happened in the 1960s, the same damn thing. So here we are again. But here's how Ronald Reagan dealt with it. Listen to this. Play this. Those people told you for days in advance that if the university sought to go ahead with that construction, they were going to physically destroy the university. Now why would you negotiate many times Negotiate? What is to negotiate? What is university is a public institution That's right, but the university its own community and for the community of Berkeley that live around it all of it began the first time some of you who know better and are old enough to know better Let young people think that they have the right to choose the laws they would obey as long as they were doing it in the name of social protest. Once the dogs of war are unleashed, you must expect that things will happen and people being human will make mistakes on both sides. But this violence, this violence was precipitated and I would like to say one more thing, professor. If we're going to start simply from when an incident takes place after the violence has started and say, Oh, this has now become the issue. I would like to propose that the issue is that on the campus is you. You, who are adults, you who are entrusted with those young people and their guidance, have a responsibility to make it plain to them from the very beginning that you yourselves do not tolerate the kind of conduct that has led to the burning of Wheeler Hall, that has led to two murders on the campus of UCLA. We are making a fine political speech, but we have made that clear over and over again, and I think you know if you stop talking for politics. that the overwhelming majority of the faculty and students are against violence, have done more to curb violence than you. I think violence escalates precisely because every time there's a regents meeting, the chancellors of all nine campuses have to scurry around and see if they can put an end to negotiations so that the governor doesn't come to the regents meeting and get them fired as he has already done before. You've created an atmosphere in the campus where no one wants to listen. You are a liar. Now don't you talk about political speeches. Don't you make a political speech of that kind and charge me with going and trying to fire chancellors. I have fought to keep politics out of that board of regents and out of the running of the university and will continue to. Folks, that's how Reagan did it. Like I said, they don't make them like that anymore. You got these elected officials, soft shoeing it. Well, you know, we want to, and they always emphasize this, which we all know, so I don't need to hear it. Well, you know, people have the right to protest. Yeah, we know that. Why you got to tell me that, you know, we want to make sure that people are heard not during a riot. I don't want to hear anything during a riot until we restore law and order. So we have Governor Abbott, who's doing it right at the University of Texas. Thank God for people like him, who has the stones, if you will, to do what needs to be done. This unrest at these college campuses, it's going to grow. Fortunately, the school year is coming to an end. But they still may use that as a staging ground, even during the summer, because, you know, they have summer class, summer courses, so on and so forth. There's a way to snuff this thing out, reasonably. But first you have to make it clear that that's what you're going to do. When I'm hearing people say, well, we're negotiating with the student side, and we're, No, what the university president should say is we have a student policy We have a you know policy on this stuff and very clear and then read the policy And then look up the camera and say that's what's going to be enforced And then when you start getting these questions from the media, well, what about the right to protest and what about now shut them down So this isn't a first amendment issue It's a public safety issue We're not going to put up with this nonsense on this college campus. We're going to make sure that every student black white jewish can walk across this campus and not be intimidated or not feel intimidated, because we have an obligation to do that. That's how you shut them down. I mean, you heard what Reagan said. Those people know better. You got university professors promoting this thing. By the way, they can be so, uh, sued civilly for this. These university presidents supporting this crap. There are civil liability implications for them to do this. And they need to be sued. So you got to throw. Everything at him. You can't just say, wow, they should be arrested. Get the thing back on, you know, And the public will applaud you for it. Maybe you silently many, but they'll thank you for doing what they expect. Get control of the situation. And you know, you know, you look at Reagan and you wonder why people liked him and why he won 49 states and you know, His leadership. Oh, yeah, personality, charisma, but his leadership. Remember the air traffic controllers? Remember the embassy that was seized in the Carter administration? And the day that Reagan came in, they released those hostages, American hostages, that day? They knew us, this guy doesn't fool around. Let's get out of this while we can. Let's call leadership, folks, and we're not getting it right now. Donald Trump is, is, he's exemplifying leadership, but look what they're doing to him. They're doing everything they can, even to keep him from running, for heaven's sakes, much less winning. You know, we're going to have to learn. I'll continue to say it until I see it differently. We gotta come from behind those keyboards, folks. You know, once again, what the left do? They made the streets the battleground. The college campuses, outside. Not on social media. Not calling a talk radio show. Went to the streets. We're gonna have to go out there to meet them. To support. I didn't say you have to go and get involved in the, you know, quelling the riot. Show up with the counter protests. We support Israel and you're bullhorns and you can do that. But we have to start displaying some courage, some commitment. We're kind of lacking in that area. It's disheartening. Anyway, thanks for joining me.